Tourism and space hotels
Key results
- Partial g is itself a tourist attraction (Paul451): it is novel and comfortable (Apollo lunar-g sleep), while zero g grows unpleasant (eating, washing, waste). An AG hotel needs a small zero-g core play area and a counter-rotating viewing platform Paul451, 2024-04-03.
- Lunar g is "stupidly fun" and comfortable, so a tourist facility needs only minimal AG for the necessities Paul451, 2022-10-31.
- Even 0.1 g eases bathroom use, eating, cooking and washing; keep a 0 g core for play TrevorMonty, 2018-07-16.
- KelvinZero's minimal tourist destination: LEO, storm shelter, gravity for dining, sleep and toilet, zero-g volume, Dragon docking, stays of weeks to months at Mars g KelvinZero, 2022-11-01.
- Economics (lamontagne):
- Investors want ROI in 3–5 years (like Cuban hotels). Tourists pay ~4–5× the travel cost for accommodation: a $10k trip means a $50k stay.
- A 1000-tourist station with weekly turnover earns ≤$2B/yr, so it must cost only a few $B. Week-long stays mean low radiation dose lamontagne, 2022-10-16.
- A smaller space hotel business plan paying back in ~3 years at high occupancy lamontagne, 2024-03-03.
- Industry structure.
- Coastal Ron: hotel brands follow markets. Use the National Park concession model: the station owner builds the hotel section, an operator runs it, and a separate space-tourism marketer sells it Coastal Ron, 2023-01-09; Coastal Ron, 2023-01-11.
- Twark_Main: innovators partner with incumbents, e.g. Hilton + Voyager Starlab (2023) Twark_Main, 2023-01-09.
- Tourism follows industry. Cruise ships began as cabins on cargo vessels, so the first space tourists will stay in hotel rooms on stations dedicated to other revenue Coastal Ron, 2023-01-03; Coastal Ron, 2023-01-02.
- Tourists ≠ private adventurers Robotbeat, 2023-01-05. Mix adventure tourism with productive work mikelepage, 2023-01-06.
- Veblen goods: tourists are a revenue stream for the real population Twark_Main, 2023-01-05.
- Mass tourism is the volume SpaceX needs. A zero-g terminal plus shuttle capsules sliding into spinning "hotel sticks" lamontagne, 2022-10-12.
- Starship passenger versions up to 1000 raise the question of what a 200–1000 person station looks like lamontagne, 2022-10-11.
- Processing 400 Starship passengers is a problem; toilet capacity in transit shuttles lamontagne, 2022-10-24; lamontagne, 2022-10-24.
- A 400-"astrotourist" space hotel press claim (Gateway Foundation) CameronD, 2019-09-03.
- Hotel designs:
- mikelepage's Mars-g hotel for 30–40 people: a torus of 18 hinged module pairs with king rooms, dorm, kitchen, dining, gym, lab, and a centre cupola for views mikelepage, 2023-05-16.
- mikelepage's resort target on Hall's chart: 25–30 m radius, ~3.8 rpm, 0.379 g mikelepage, 2022-10-23.
- lamontagne's "Space Can" and small sun-pointer hotel. See the concepts catalog.
- An airport hotel analogy: a space airport with 1 g toilets, restaurants and hotels rsdavis9, 2025-09-08.
- Guest experience.
- What will guests do? Coastal Ron, 2023-01-05
- lamontagne's time budget: sleeping 33%, eating and cooking 10%, learning 20%, fooling around 18%, dedicated tasks 20%, parks and views 1%, garden 1%. Design hotels around it lamontagne, 2023-10-17.
- Sports under Coriolis: ping-pong played across the rotation, curved tables, basketball hoops on the sides Twark_Main, 2023-06-17.
- Views: see lighting and windows. In an equatorial orbit, Canadians, Americans and Europeans can't see home (a hotel issue) lamontagne, 2026-09-16.
- Private yachts mikelepage, 2022-10-20.
- Tourism vs gravity. Spin reduces some tourism benefits (no 0 g, rotating view) rakaydos, 2024-03-25.
Open questions
- Will tourists pay for gravity, or for zero g? A hotel probably needs both.
- What stay length and price point justify a rotating hotel over a zero-g one?
Related pages
Sources
Forum posts
- TrevorMonty, 2018-07-16 (reply #948): 0.1 g eases necessities. Post.
- CameronD, 2019-09-03 (reply #1660): 400 astrotourists. Post. Attachments: 9c901216dabe043b22ef0fc334bddb3b.jpg, 561ba7394cba70eb05b8ca4b760856d1.jpg, 6ec5c67c91985b7fe1f14f471e94152f.jpg, 72ba850410110e0ef5822f10955cce1a.jpg, ec8302f6b2b86c05db830eeea660fef3.jpg.
- lamontagne, 2022-10-11 (reply #2005): 200–1000 person station. Post.
- lamontagne, 2022-10-12 (reply #2025, 1 like): Mass tourism; hotel sticks. Post.
- lamontagne, 2022-10-16 (reply #2114): Tourism ROI. Post.
- mikelepage, 2022-10-20 (reply #2155): Spin-g yachts. Post.
- mikelepage, 2022-10-23 (reply #2180): Resort design. Post. Attachments: gravComfort03-target.jpg.
- lamontagne, 2022-10-24 (reply #2197): Can't process 400. Post.
- Paul451, 2022-10-31 (reply #2278, 1 like): Lunar g stupidly fun. Post.
- KelvinZero, 2022-11-01 (reply #2295, 2 likes): Minimal tourist destination. Post.
- Coastal Ron, 2023-01-02 (reply #2753): Commoditization. Post.
- Coastal Ron, 2023-01-03 (reply #2762): Tourism follows industry. Post.
- Twark_Main, 2023-01-05 (reply #2772): Veblen goods. Post.
- Robotbeat, 2023-01-05 (reply #2775): Adventurers ≠ tourists. Post.
- Coastal Ron, 2023-01-05 (reply #2777): What will guests do?. Post.
- mikelepage, 2023-01-06 (reply #2780): Adventure + work. Post.
- Coastal Ron, 2023-01-09 (reply #2833): National Park concession model. Post.
- Twark_Main, 2023-01-09 (reply #2836): Hilton + Starlab. Post.
- Coastal Ron, 2023-01-11 (reply #2855): Brands follow markets. Post.
- mikelepage, 2023-05-16 (reply #3717, 2 likes): mikelepage hotel (2 likes). Post. Attachments: Screen Shot 2023-05-16 at 5.54.00 pm.png, Screen Shot 2023-05-16 at 6.31.55 pm.png, Screen Shot 2023-05-16 at 7.23.02 pm.png.
- Twark_Main, 2023-06-17 (reply #3889): Coriolis sports. Post.
- lamontagne, 2023-10-17 (reply #4201, 3 likes): Time budget (3 likes). Post.
- lamontagne, 2024-03-03 (reply #4533): Hotel payback ~3 yr. Post. Attachments: Image43_000.png, Image31_003.png.
- rakaydos, 2024-03-25 (reply #4609, 2 likes): Spin reduces tourism benefits. Post.
- Paul451, 2024-04-03 (reply #4633, 1 like): Partial g novel & comfortable (1 like). Post.
- rsdavis9, 2025-09-08 (reply #4940, 3 likes): Space airport hotel (3 likes). Post.
- lamontagne, 2026-09-16 (reply #5112): Equatorial: can't see home. Post.